#Asia Cre8 to launch second coworking space in Jakarta –and it is located inside a mall

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According to Cre8 co-founder, it will be “the biggest, most spacious” coworking space in Indonesia

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Entrance to the coworking space

Coworking space company Cre8 Workspace + Community today announced that it is set to launch its second coworking space in Jakarta on January 17.

The new coworking space will be located on the sixth floor of PIK Avenue, a shopping mall in the central business district area in Pantai Indah Kapuk, North Jakarta.

“This will be the biggest, most spacious coworking space in Indonesia,” claimed Cre8 co-founder Erwin Soerjadi in a press statement. e27 is currently reaching out to Cre8 spokesperson to find out more details about the size and capacity of the space.

Also Read: Healthcare startup in Indonesia? H-Cube might just be the right coworking space for you

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The design of the left-wing side of the space.

There are several benefits that led Cre8 to choose a mall in North Jakarta as the location of its new coworking space. One of them being the mall’s close proximity to Soekarno-Hatta International Airport, which enables faster and easier access in a city with a mind-boggling congestion problem. The mall itself is also located in North Jakarta’s central business district.

Operating under vOffice group, which has presence in 42 locations in Asia, Europe, and Australia, Cre8 was launched in May 2016. It currently has presence in Malaysia and the Philippines.

Cre8’s first coworking space in Jakarta is located in an office building in Cilandak, South Jakarta. Membership at the coworking space starts from IDR200,000 (US$15) per month.

Also Read: Would you like a seed investment with your coworking space? Singapore’s Impact Hub is where to go

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The right-wing view of the coworking space

Apart from providing office spaces, the coworking space also provides business support services such as legal advisor, accounting and bookkeeping, and call-answering services for its members. It also gives members access to Entreprenity, an online platform for global entrepreneurs to connect.

Cre8 also stated that it is currently exploring partnership opportunities with an undisclosed coworking space provider in San Francisco for a collaboration in Singapore and Shanghai.

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#Asia Hansel.io raises US$1.35M to help developers fix bugs, manage app security in real time

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With a five-minute integration process and no code change required, developers can start managing their live apps at runtime using Hansel.io

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The Hansel.io team

Hansel.io, a real-time mobile app management platform in India, has raised US$1.35 million in funding led by IDG Ventures, with participation from existing investor Endiya Partners.

The company will use the fresh funds towards the development of cross-platform capabilities, hiring and expanding its presence in the North American market. “With this round of funding, the focus will be to go global, go cross-platform, and help mobile developers be as responsive to their end users as possible,” said Co-founder and CEO Varun Ramamurthy.

The startup has previously raised a seed round from Endiya Partners, Tracxn Labs, and a clutch of angel investors.

Also Read: Infographic: Mobile technology trends for 2017

Available for both Android and iOS, Hansel.io allows mobile developers to fix bugs, update configurations, edit user interfaces, and manage security policies of mobile apps at runtime. With a five-minute integration process and no code change required, developers can start managing their live apps at runtime using Hansel.

Founded in late 2015 by Varun Ramamurthy, Parminder Singh, and Mudit Mathur, Hansel.io claims it has an installation base of 140 million and more than 20 million devices have been impacted through hotfixes, UI changes, and security fixes at runtime from the Hansel.io dashboard.

“Despite the abundance of use cases the product provides for, for the developer it is a simple configure-and-deploy product, where companies can go live in less than 15 minutes. We have built the product to be as intuitive and effortless to use as possible,” said Co-founder and CTO Singh.

“At a time when customer acquisition and retention costs continue to skyrocket, a product like Hansel.io comes as a big boon for a great end user experience” said Venkatesh Peddi, Executive Director at IDG Ventures.

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#Asia Infographic: India’s hottest tech sectors by VC activity in 2016

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Online retail and travel were the most exciting technology sectors, together amassing US$1.1 billion across 52 rounds

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India, the third largest startup ecosystem, saw a country-wide funding of US$6.51 billion through 468 rounds throughout the year. Like Europe, India also had online retail and online travel as the most exciting technology sectors, together amassing US$1.1 billion across 52 rounds.

Also Read: Kalyan Krishnamurthy is now officially calling the shots as Flipkart CEO, but can he turn the company around?

Bangalore-based startup research platform Tracxn brings you an infographic about 2016’s hottest sectors by VC activity in India.

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#Asia Planning your product strategy? Make sure your infrastructure can take on the load

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Are you ready to scale? Don’t forget infrastructure and IT resource capacity when planning for growth

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One of the trickiest discussions when planning and developing a new digital product is capacity. “Prepare for success,” is an adage popularly thrown around. But for any project manager, that statement is as murky as typhoon flood water.

Well, sure — for more controlled setups like development phases, it’s fairly easy to make estimates, but that’s only because it’s easy to know or estimate how many people will be using the infrastructure at any given time. However, planning for capacity for tech products, especially those that rely on backend services, can be a real pain.

Also Read: Branding basics: 6 steps to an effective e-commerce branding strategy

Even the big and experienced firms don’t always get it right. Gaming giant Blizzard has decades of experience managing server deployments for authentication and multiplayer support for their games. Despite that, they have had a history of servers crashing during launch. Even with Overwatch, their latest award-winning offering, players suffered connectivity issues during launch. And this happened despite significant testing.

Surely, servers crashing due to wild popularity is a type of problems that is nice to have — one that can readily be remedied if you have resources (and sales) to fix it as it happens.  For game releases, overloaded servers appear to be normal upon product launch.

Some marketers would even spin this as a sign of a hit. But not all products can survive crashes during launch. It’s a different issue for independent developers and small ventures relying on bootstrapping their way to shipping a product.

The capacity conundrum

Surely there are formulas available to compute for capacity. A simple test can be done by seeing how many users can connect to a server and maintain an acceptable level of use. For close-to-deployment scenarios, you can do alpha and (closed and open) beta tests.

One of the first capacity plans I was involved in was for a website designed to deliver browser-based casual games through subscriptions. This was before the days of cloud computing, leaving us with two choices: putt up our own server, or rent at a datacenter. Our basis was the commercial team’s estimate that the site will have 5,000 concurrent users during peak hours. That was supposed to simplify our task.

We simulated such usage and optimised what we can in the backend. Finally, we decided to rent out a server with specifications that can take the load on plus a bit extra. The setup held up extremely well during launch and months after that. Unfortunately, that was all because we didn’t make enough sales to even reach half the server’s capacity.

Also Read: Advice for startup freshmen: How to develop a content marketing strategy that works

This could’ve been a tragic story if not for some positives. It was a good thing that we only rented the servers with a monthly contract so we were able to scale down immediately when the sales projections went sour. If we had opted for longer-term contracts or put up the infrastructure ourselves, we could have been thousands of dollars in the hole. Sales eventually picked up, so the effort wasn’t entirely a loss.

Better choices with the cloud

Looking back, I wonder if cloud computing would’ve solved our problem back then. Cloud computing supposedly takes the guesswork out of capacity since you could literally start with a small chunk of computing power and storage and scale on demand once traffic picks up or slows down. Amazon Web Services pretty much has most hosting requirements covered.

Engineers could go on all day arguing about the merits of dedicated machines vs. cloud, but what’s key here is that digital startups now have options and choices on how to put up their infrastructure. With infrastructure-as-a-service now gaining popularity, development teams can opt for hybrid setups, which involve cloud, on-premises deployments, or a hybrid of both — computing load can even be dynamically allocated through load balancing, which ensure that applications can scale and still be available without downtimes concerns.

But there’s still the cost issue. If instantaneous scaling isn’t an issue, a strong case could be made for opting with dedicated server setups, in terms of cost. And it’s always a unique case for us in Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, servers with local data centres can cost twice as much as rented servers in the US with similar hardware specifications. Putting up one’s own data centre also comes with expensive hardware, utilities, and unreliable internet speeds. All of these things need to be considered before making the investment.

Never lose sight of the business end

It is common for many startups and development teams to be overly excited about the tech end that they fail to consider the business end. Sad to say, it’s quite a common occurrence for startups to fall into the trap of going all-out with tech investment without any realistic capacity plan tied to a commercial strategy.

Also Read: 6 effective ways to market your business on a shoestring budget

Case in point: How many development and design firms splurge on equipping all their staff with sleek Macs even if custom PCs cost a fraction just because Apple products make them look legit? Thousands of startup dollars have been blown on wasted on such decisions.

The flexibility offered by the cloud shouldn’t be treated as a failsafe for not considering the market. Infrastructure investments should be made with a clear business strategy in place. While developers work on making the system and infrastructure work for X number of users, the commercial team should also be hard at work, converting X (and more) prospects into customers.

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#Asia Why do investors pour cash into China’s bike sharing businesses?

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Mobike just raised US$215 million. Why is bike sharing pulling in such large rounds?

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You might have noticed the boom of bike sharing in China. Dozens of similar companies have taken the industry by surprise, and they have been growing rapidly with large streams of cash pouring in over the last few months.

Do you really understand why investors are so crazy about this business model? What are the pros and cons behind it? As an insider in the startup world and one who understands the investment philosophy, let me walk you through what is catching on in the bike sharing business model.

Wonderful solution for the ‘last mile’

You are planning to go somewhere, and this place is just one or two miles away from your current location. It is too short to hail a taxi, but it is also too far to walk. What should you do?

This typical scenario is what we call the ‘last mile problem’. Imagine you are able to find a bicycle nearby which is easy to use at an affordable price – how amazing would that be.

Also Read: Unicorns are getting devalued, and that might actually be a good thing

Bike sharing was designed to solve this problem, and it has been proven to be easily accepted by most users. From data collected by AppAnnie, Ofo and Mobike had two million and four million android downloads from September to November 2016. It is an incredible feat!

Efficient business model

Amongst the Chinese bike sharing providers, the most expensive manufacturing model is Mobike. It claims that it costs more than US$400 to manufacture each bike. Assuming each bike is used for three hours each day, the revenue would be just around US$1. This means that each bike will take 400 days for the manufacturing cost to break even.

Considering that these bikes usually have a lifecycle of two years, bike sharing providers will surely not want to lose money on the hardware. Meanwhile, with millions of daily active users, these companies can gain reasonable revenue through advertisments and other financial services.

Break-even on hardware and earn money on software. Does that sound familiar? This model was created by Xiaomi, one of the biggest smartphone manufacturers in China, and it has already been proven to be the most efficient business model for hardware business.

It’s not just about hardware

One fact you cannot miss is that these bike sharing startups are not only hardware companies, but they are also making money from getting online users.

If you want to use any of the shared bikes, you need to install their mobile apps first. Those apps can help you find the nearest bikes, lock and unlock bikes, and so on. On the other hand, they are gathering customers’ data and accumulating the number of users.

Also Read: Hong Kong logistics startup Lalamove raises US$30 million for major expansion

In addition, their bikes’ unique colors and designs that stand out on the streets are forms of free publicity that attract millions of users.This is the reason why bike sharing companies have extremely high valuations.

Area density matters

Lastly, we need to be aware that nothing is perfect, and the bike sharing business model also has its weakness.

The main problem is that it is more suitable for big cities. The economics behind it is to use less bikes to cover more users in densely populated areas.

Unless the physical location is suitable, users will not find a bike nearby easily. Imagine walking 500 meters to find a bike to travel a 1000 meter distance?

That would be ridiculous.

That is why all businesses have risks.


The article Why investors pour cash into China’s bike sharing businesses? first appeared on AllChinaTech. It was a guest post written by Daniel Ma.

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#Asia Singapore’s Marvelstone Group positions itself for rise of Smart Cities

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The company has launched Marvelstone Ventures, a venture-builder targetting Asian Smart City technoloties

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Marvelstone Group, the Singapore-headquartered investment group that specialises in fintech, has announced the launch of a new venture-building arm with S$20 million (US$14 million) from the partners to build Asia-focussed Smart City technologies.

Named Marvelstone Ventures, the new initiative will be led by Joel Ko, currently the Managing Director of Marvelstone Group (he will still remain active in other projects within the group).

Ko is the Co-founder of Lattice80, Marvelstone’s fintech hub located in Singapore’s Central Business District — the hub is the world’s largest of its kind.

“The goal of [Marvelstone Ventures] is to get involved in paradigm shifting technology-sectors like blockchain and IoT because, until now, those technologies are led by developed countries like the US and Europe. So my desire is to set up an innovation hub based in Asia,” Ko told e27.

He said that the long-term plan, in the next two to three years, is to set up a fund worth from US$50 to US$100 million.

The venture-builder strategy is a business model in which firms with resources build companies from scratch in their own style (instead of investing in external startups that would be further along the entrepreneurial journey).

The reason Marvelstone is pursuing venture-building is, according to a statement from the company, successful venture builders tap into a network of partners to eventually create fully-operational companies. This roadmap will eventually help Marvelstone Ventures, “move from being a catalyst to drive and lead innovation”.

Also Read: Fintech platform Marvelstone Tech launches FundEast to help SMEs maximise profit

While Marvelstone said the venture arm will focus on all of Asia, Gina Heng, the Co-founder and CEO of Marvelstone Group, said she hopes the company can help Singapore become the world’s smartest city “before the turn of the next decade”.

“Marvelstone Ventures will support the city-state’s vision by investing in paradigm-shifting technology, Smart City-related projects and companies with high growth potential. We want these companies to successfully turn emerging markets around the Asian region into game-changers,” she said.

Marvelstone Group was born in South Korea, but in 2016 the company focussed, and largely succeeded, on building a strong presence in Singapore. The city-state is now the company’s headquarters for operations.

Also Read: Two’s a crowd: Marvelstone and Fundnel integrate crowdfunding to strategy

Besides Lattice80 and Marvelstone Ventures, other projects from the group include Marvelstone Tech (a platform to facilitate fintech opportunities) and 10k, an accelerator-incubator program with the ambitious goals of accelerating 100 startups in 100 places across Asia (100 x 100 is 10,000 — thus, the name).


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#Asia ‘Uber for trucks’ hauls $840k seed funding for Southeast Asia rollout

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Uber for truck deliveries startup Ezyhaul has raised roughly US$840,000 in seed funding to expand its market presence this year. The Singapore-based firm’s investment came from a group of logistics industry leaders it declined to name.

Now active in Singapore and Malaysia, the service gets transport companies to do deliveries for its clients, calculates the fee, and takes a cut. It also allows shippers to track the movement of the truck, receive photos of the cargo and proof of delivery, and get an invoice digitally.

Ezyhaul now has 500 trucks on its platform and more than 45 active shippers, including DB Schenker and Ninja Van. Delivery volume is growing 80 percent month over month.

The team wants to grow further in Malaysia and roll out in other markets like Indonesia and Thailand within the first half of the year.

Filling empty spaces

Ezyhaul’s three co-founders – Raymond Gillon, Mudasar Mohamed, and Nicky Lum – are logistics veterans, having occupied top posts at global logistics and transport company UTi. After hearing first-hand from clients about the challenges of the fragmented trucking industry, the trio decided to start their own firm.

The team. Photo credit: Ezyhaul.

“From the trucker side, foremost we are addressing the problem of empty backhauls. In Southeast Asia, over 65 percent of all trucks returns empty after delivering their loads,” Mudasar tells Tech in Asia. “Furthermore the average load factor of trucks on the road is less than 40 percent. So there is a lot of empty truck space moving around unutilized.”

The main reason for this, he explains, is poor matching of supply and demand. Truck owners have no way of filling the empty space other than hoping someone calls them.

From the shipper side, Ezyhaul makes booking a truck as easy as booking a car on Uber or Grab.

“We work with predictive analysis to assess when the trucks will arrive at the client’s location. This way we can inform clients in an early stage of deviations and there are no more unexpected surprises and far fewer problems when trucks arrive early or late,” Mudasar shares.

Ezyhaul competes with startups like iKargo and TheLorry. TheLorry though offers a range of services, including home moving for individuals, whereas Ezyhaul only does enterprise work, focuses on the long haul, and doesn’t do last-mile deliveries.

Mudasar says Southeast Asia is big enough to accommodate several players, with the size of market estimated at US$27 billion based on World Bank and Frost & Sullivan data.

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#Asia Why companies are being asked how soon they can turn a profit

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Investors are increasingly asking, “How soon can you become profitable?” in order to stay in their comfort zones

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In June 2016, I began to speak with venture capital groups about financing for my company. We were considering fundraising in 2017 and wanted to connect with potential investors early. Interestingly, almost all the VCs posed a question they had never asked before: “How soon can you become profitable?”

That question is more confusing than it might appear. On the one hand, tech entrepreneurs know that businesses are supposed to generate more money than they spend. When a business sustains itself, the founders don’t get trapped between equity dilution and survival, and the investors are happy as well. Profit is power.

On the other hand, audacious ideas require heavy spending. Not long ago, investors not only expected but encouraged founders to spend aggressively on marketing, talent, innovation, market expansion and everything else.

What changed?

Fear changed. Fear of a bubble. Fear from the US election. Fear of saturated software verticals. Fear that acquisitions have slowed. Fear that no matter how innovative a startup is, it may neither make a single dollar nor get acquired. The fear of failure has begun to outweigh hopes of finding the next ‘unicorn.’

Also Read: Rewardz gets US$2M from Japan’s Benefit One to fuel profitability, expansion plan

We see this fear in the in early-stage venture capital data. In Q3 2016, total venture deals were down 36 per cent from Q3 2015, and the total funding fell 26 per cent to US$10.6 billion according to the latest PwC MoneyTree™ Report. That total is the lowest since Q3 2014 and a 58 per cent drop off compared to Q2 2016.

Here’s the key: Seed-, early- and expansion-stage deals declined from the last quarter, but later-stage investments defied the trend. In Q2, there were 187 later-stage deals worth US$2.43 billion, but Q3 saw 190 deals worth US$3.47 billion. In other words, investors poured an extra US$1 billion into roughly the same number of later-stage deals.

Essentially, investors wanted a safe bet, and later-stage startups calmed their fears. At earlier stages, a “safe” startup is one that is profitable – or one that could be shortly. I’d guess that 90 per cent of tech startups are not built that way. More spending equals more growth, so most startups spend, spend, spend.

The trouble with tech is that the levels of profitability don’t resemble those in other industries. Because the product can change a lot, it does. Tech companies develop changes continuously and, depending on their philosophy, might deploy changes multiple times a day. A change to the product can win new customers, chase away existing customers or, frustratingly, make no difference at all.

Also Read: Despite 200 shut-downs, here’s why 2016 was actually a GREAT year for India’s startup ecosystem

For some perspective, compare a tech company to a cereal maker like Kellogg’s. They don’t change the cereal recipe or packaging multiple times daily. The company knows the cost of ingredients, production, packaging and so forth. They know how many units they need to sell to turn a profit. When they change a product, the process is slow and deliberate. Kellogg’s can make small shifts that save millions or make big shifts that create billions.

With software, you can’t say, “If we just spend this much on development and infrastructure, then we’ll be profitable.” It doesn’t work that way.

So the immediate effect of the funding crunch is to reinforce fear and slow down innovation. When investors say, “How soon can you become profitable?” they’re not asking about your product roadmap. The subtext of the profitability question is, “If you cut enough staff and downsized your office, would you be profitable?”

For now, investors find comfort in this subsistence entrepreneurship. It may protect the venture ecosystem from bubbling, but it won’t produce as many disruptive startups. “How soon can you become profitable?” would have killed Amazon, Tesla and many other iconic companies.

Also Read: Financing your startup: Can a loan be a better alternative to VC funding?

Investors are in a position of relative power, and startups have themselves a Catch-22. Getting profitable could get you funded – or save you from needing capital – but it could also stunt your growth potential enormously. Going into the red could produce that breakthrough innovation you dream of, but if it doesn’t, don’t expect investors to bail you out.

A version of this post was originally published on Forbes.

Jayna Cooke is CEO and Partner at EVENTup, a platform for showcasing venues to a national audience.

The Young Entrepreneur Council (YEC) is an invite-only organisation comprising the world’s most promising young entrepreneurs. In partnership with Citi, YEC recently launched BusinessCollective, a free virtual mentorship programme that helps millions of entrepreneurs start and grow businesses.

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#Asia Southeast Asian startups, East Ventures has new US$27.5M fund for you

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The fund is the venture capital firm’s fifth after six years of operation

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Singapore-based venture capital firm East Ventures today announced a new US$27.5 million fund targetting at Southeast Asian startups. Raised from undisclosed “prominent families and entrepreneurs”, the fund marks the company’s fifth after six years of operation.

In a press statement, East Ventures claimed that assets under its management has increased ten fold, and that this year it is expecting to see more mergers and acquisitions of its portfolio companies.

The company also noted there will be fewer Series B investments this year, though it will continue to invest in more than 20 startups in the region, which it claimed to be its average number per year.

DailySocial noted in its annual fintech report that East Ventures has been the most active investor in the Indonesian fintech sector in 2016, with almost half of announced funding rounds involving the company.

Also Read: Financial e-commerce platform Cermati raises US$1.9M Series A round led by East Ventures

In 2016, East Ventures had also invested in several agritech startups including Eragano, iGrow, and LimaKilo.

East Ventures has 80 active portfolio in Southeast Asia with more than 70 per cent of them claimed to have received follow-on funding. Its most notable portfolio includes Tokopedia and Traveloka, which are often believed to be the region’s next unicorns.

It also operates the coworking space EV Hive in South Jakarta and BSD City.

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#Asia PhonePe digital wallet has big goals beyond parent Flipkart

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Mobile payments startup PhonePe, which Flipkart bought last year, has set its sights high this year.

In the process of launching the country’s first Unified Payments Interface-supported wallet for iOS, the startup is already aiming for a 100 million downloads by the end of 2017.

“We just crossed 10 million app downloads,” founder Sameer Nigam told Tech in Asia in an interview. Sameer wouldn’t say what the app’s active user base is, though.

The Android app has also received a facelift, complete with support for nine local languages.

“It’s something we believe is driving the usage of PhonePe because people are not intimidated by using an app that speaks to them in English,” Sameer said.

For those wondering why another digital wallet is becoming a big deal, here’re some details: the Unified Payments Interface (UPI), which PhonePe works with, is a technology that allows bank-to-bank and bank-to-mobile wallet transfers with minimal identification. It is open source, which means competing banks can include it in their apps and transfer money between each other. The UPI was launched last year as part of the Indian government’s push towards a cashless society.

See: India makes an ambitious move toward a cashless society

Once integrated into apps, it can also be adapted to allow wallet-to-wallet transfers.

Working with this technology allows PhonePe easy digital transaction to any customer who logs in. Unlike in many digital wallets, cashbacks and refunds used via this app can be used wherever the customer wants, and are not tied down to merchants.

Advantage Flipkart

Being a Flipkart subsidiary, PhonePe is now integrated with Flipkart, Myntra, and Jabong payments, which directly translates into a ready customer base. For Flipkart, it means a theoretical seamless payments process, potentially cutting back on cash-on-delivery issues.

Before it acquired PhonePe, Flipkart launched its own mobile wallet, Flipkart Money. Flipkart Money was launched 18 months after it shut down PayZippy, a mobile wallet that it started too early and without enough focus to do well. Flipkart’s rival Snapdeal owns payment wallet Freecharge, and India’s largest payment wallet Paytm entered the ecommerce game some years ago.

A full-blown, aggressive push – not surprising considering Flipkart’s resources – could translate PhonePe from yet another wallet to the go-to medium of transaction in the country. In the very least, it will gain a solid foothold in a market currently split into various digital wallets (of which Paytm is king) and cashless experiments.

See: Light at the end of the tunnel: here’s the multiplier effect of going cashless

The startup was built by former Flipkart executives Sameer Nigam and Rahul Chari. Some learnings from Flipkart days, and the friction in making online payments drove them to work on the idea of PhonePe.

“When we had done the Big Billion day sale in 2014, the kind of demand we saw was over 10 million transaction requests, and we took down pretty much every bank and payment gateway in the country with us,” Sameer shared.

Flipkart co-founders, Binny Bansal and Sachin Bansal

Binny Bansal (left) and Sachin Bansal are the two co-founders of India’s top homegrown ecommerce startup. Photo credit: Flipkart.

“When we got that visibility of the innards of the payments systems, we started going and meeting banks, regulators and others trying to understand where is the world headed to. When we started reading up about UPI it was an eye opener because for the first time, perhaps globally, a set of engineers had designed a payment infrastructure, not a set of bankers.”

Sameer says the promise of what UPI could do excited the engineers in them. “We couldn’t sleep for two nights. It was just terribly exciting. so we got together a few old Flipkart hands and started hacking away at it.”

Once Binny Bansal became CEO, he asked the team to use Flipkart as the launchpad.

See: After bad year, Flipkart gets new CEO

But PhonePe wants to be more than just Flipkart’s digital wallet. “The idea for Phone Pe is not to provide an experience on Flipkart that is different from any other merchant. The idea is to build India’s best payments app,” Sameer added.

“In the online segment, Flipkart will certainly be a strong part of our business. But when we start talking about tolls and transports, Flipkart will get smaller and smaller. This year Flipkart may be around 20 to 30 percent of transactions, but over time it will come down significantly,” he said.

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